Canadian gun dealers are importing the civilian version of the Norinco CQ 5. It pretty much a straight clone of the M4A1, complete with Click to expand the photos photo from LeverArms. The rifle seems to be well received by Canadian shooters, although the finish is said be be poor. Of the Norinco manufactured firearms I have seen, they tend to be poorly finished. The badly scratched finish can be seen in this photo:. Canada is likely the only country where it is being sold to civilians.

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: Steve can be contacted here. Heck, that would be cheap in the US. I am resisting making a comment about the Chinese!! The receiver looks like a straight casting, and not a very good one at that. Canada has the ability to put out some pretty nice guns. Thank you Steve for starting up this forum. I just recieved my M4 from Frontier Arms a couple of weeks ago and have been enjoying it very much.

The big advantage is the ability to use any AR type magazine and the fact that in Canada I can use the LAR15 magazine that holds 10 rounds. Too bad this rifle is restricted The fit, finish and action on the M4 are just fine. Scratches and scuff marks are a fact of rifle life, otherwise, the finish was good right out of the box.

I get really good groups at 75 yards with the iron sights. I will get a short T-dot scope for the yard targets. The manual as pointed out in the clip and by Olav is just a riot but still readable and well layed out.

Matt Groom and OT: These factories export to Europe and yes, back to the U. Our firearms laws are severe to say the least.

All AR type and other military type rifles are usually classed as restricted and you need a special license to purchase and use these firearms.

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RPAL Our rifle magazines must be pinned to only accept 5 rounds with the exception of the LAR15 magazine which is a pistol magazine and can therefore hold 10 rounds. Canada is a member of NATO and we fight along side of the U. We have lost soldiers in Afghanistan, the latest being a 21 year old young female soldier blown up by an IED.

I respect our troops and those participating in the NATO effort in Afghanistan and elswhere. After all, sometimes the only thing that can take care of an object is another object. Notice his manual says on it?

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Stupid question I know, but does anyone know what kind of legal barriers would be in the way of importation? Dom, the full auto military version has been in production since They appear to ship the same manual with the civilian version.

Matt, i have a savage in. I would buy any Canadian made product. Some Chinese made stuff is good too. Part of the reason for the success of this rifle is the increasingly onerous export restrictions on US made ARs and AR variants. Right now it makes more sense to buy one of these and get it Parkerized locally than to deal with the aforementioned hurdles around US made guns.

On my comments made earlier, I did not mean to imply that Canada is comparable to China, and I would much rather live in Canada than a communist country like China or NYC. So, in conclusion, I apologize for offending our English speaking brothers and sisters to the north.

You can make the AR15 lower from any material that can hold the trigger assembly and extension tube. The upper have to be metal. Casting is fine and will last forever as long as it is taken care of. The majority of the stress is in the barrel and bolt.

Most bolt will last between 5kk depending how well it is made or how lucky you are. There are some nice high end makers of long range rifles though in Canada. Prairie Gun Works is one I can think of. I believe thats where Para-Ord started. I actually know a couple guys in the US army who have shot and used Norinco rifles and like them a lot. Back to the topic. I just finished installing my goodies on the M4 and I will post a few links to the pictures.

Except my CANADIAN made Also, Canadians, there is a Canadian AR Manufacturer now, call North East Armories, only draw back is the price is up there with American ARs. I think Lever Arms is a private gun store that buys chinese guns due to demands of the local chinese population in Vancouver that wants to buy them for whatever reason….

I noticed that the rail seems a bit thinner than the one on the handle so I am assuming that is the cause. I thought all the rails met the same specs but I guess not. Has anyone tried a. Would be good for practice. How well does it work? Of course this may or may not apply to the barrel of this M4. But it seems plausible that it would.

An accuracy comparison would have been nice. It is rather fascinating that the Chinese still cannot write an instruction manual in proper english: But perhaps that is part of why they manage to keep costs down. No unneccessary paychecks to translators…. The reason for the popularity of this rifle in Canada is that you cannot buy an American AR15 rifle with Some Americans are complaining that why Canadians do not buy from the US.

People are buying Norinco becasue the US DOS refuse to export to Canadian citizens firearms. Maybe you should ask your Congressmen why the US State Department make it so difficult, almost impossible, to apply for export permit for AR15 to Canada. It is impossible to get AR in quantity out of the US. No flash hidder, no collapsabls stock, no 5. Canada fought hard in afghanistan as an ally of the US. And the US in terms cheat Canadian citizens like Mexicans. We fought in the GWOT, and this is how the US repays Canadians who vote for a US friendly Canadian government.

Having been in China myself, and having a few Chinese friends, I can tell you that translation between chinese and english is difficult in the extreme. Many of their words can have multiple meanings. The manual for the M4 is still very readable. I worked in a machine shop for years and we had some sophisticated CNC machine tools manufactured in Japan. The manuals were no better written.

Sure, we would like American AR rifles but they are expensive and difficult to get in the type that we want. I wish this cold I have would go away so I can get out to the range. I am finding the M4 to be very dependable and extemely fun to shoot. I just need to get better at mounting accesories. I have learned that Loctite is a good idea to use on threaded items. I did some slight mods to it but they were all external.

Quad rail, grip, etc. They have their issues with certain things such as the finish but they shoot well and they take a beating. I have to echo the comment about never buying anything from China if at all possible. Buying their products also employs granted international stock options to employees citizens, not ours.

We need to do everything possible to keep manufacturing here. China is probably our number one enemy in the world right now. Dealers such as Questar and Eastern Forex directory net zar have sold US ARs and parts Rock River, Colt, DPMS, LMT and Stagbut not sure how easy to get these items in light of the current run on arms in the USA.

Steve, You might as well close this forum as it has turned into a political mess. Stay on the topic!!! Well, I finally got my reflex sight roughly ranged in.

I used my rifle workstation stand to hold the rifle tightly so I could adjust where the dot went. I put a ranging target on the wall in the basement so it was about 30 feet away. Just used the iron sight which is right on,and then adjusted the red dot so it was just a bit lower than dead on.

I then adjusted the laser to hit where the red buy aapl stocks was sitting on the target. I hope this method will get me on paper at the range. Well, after looking at the pictures of this rifle…………………. The finish on the rear sight adjustment knob is simply diabolical. I mean, really, just spend another and get a Bushmaster. I was one of the first ones to buy a Norinco M4 from Armseast, I have put a little over rounds through it with exactly zero stopages.

The finish could be a little better, but its not that bad. If this rifle was approved for sale in the US, thousands of people would buy it. In Canada we play n trade comstock park michigan have several home grown AR manufactures Dlask, Alberta Tactical Rifle.

We also have some businesses that are starting to produce short barrels, rails, flash hiders and so forth. Thanks for the info Rick. I would sooner buy parts made in Ose stock market anyway. Good to hear of someone who has cranked rounds through the M4.

Any signs of wear? Maybe it varies from rifle to rifle, but mine was just great. I was at a local military display and the C7 rifles were just scratched and dented but obviously worked just fine. I would buy an american or canadian M4 Type but they are on the average of to a dollors Plus Tax more then this Norinco. If you can even get one. This is a large difference in Price.

No iron sites on it though. But she has a small frame. I was born and live in Canadaand am an Infantryman in the Regular Army with a easiest way to make money in gta online overseas in Afghanistan.

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The only AR15 clone I can affordably get make money complete autopilot in Canada is Chinese made, I just bought one, and they shoot and operate just like the C8A2 Carbine I use at work.

For those who want the best bang for there buck here in Canada we buy Chinese because they can provide what they want for sometimes half to three times less then american made, they also work and shoot just as good, or better.

I own four guns from Norinco in China, I also own one Chech, one Russian, one Italian, and two American and they all function perfectly. When the USA firearms companies and policy makers decide to stop us government propping up stock market us around in Canada, I will buy more American.

I bought my AR15 heavy barrel 1: Just got my Norinco CQ M4 clone from dealer in Alberta who shipped to Ontario. Took off the carry handle and added a weaver rail for more height with a Nikon Monarch Variable Size Red Dot scope. I boresighted with a Cabelas. Going back tomorrow to work the and yd range. Finish is a little rough but the action is smooth and it shoots beautifully. Worst part is the magazines — not exactly precision made. Going to look for magazines from other manufacturers.

Has anybody tried putting on a Magpul MOE handguard on this Norinco? Is the buffer tube mil-spec or commercial? I live in the Philippines and am soon to receive my Norinco CQ-A. Where do you order from? Hi Everybody and best regards from Italy. I happened by chance to find this site and this interesting discussion about this Norinco M4 type rifle since I am looking to find informations about this weapon.

Well,the situation in Italy is not so different from the situation in Canada. I am sure the american produced rifles are of much better quality I have had a K3B and I have one M from 2nd ww and how much money do american idols make on tour so I know the meaning of good quality but this is just an hobby,although a nice one for me.

Well looks like we are getting in another shippment of theese How much money did a blacksmith make here in Canada. I am buying 2. If a wrench made there used once, will break. BE SURE to wash your hands after handling one, and do not let your kids lick it. Tradewest forex informer should not buy anything from china, and neither should the knucks.

Got My CQ today and LOVE it ,acurate right out of the box! OH CANADA OH OH OH CANADA! Shame on us Canadians………For what? Getting something we want without the nightmare of trying to get it from our neighbours in the states.

Believe me, we would gladly purchase our guns from the USA if we could. Not to mention the licenses, transporting documents, and smart moves in stock market laws that apply.

Hell, if we have a handgun restricted we have to belong to a shooting club or they will take them away, that goes for this Norinco also restricted as well.

We have to pay a lot more up here, and the Norinco is the best option for the money. I have a norinco carbine. But the rest of the rifle meets or exceeds mil-spec.

And that includes machining and metal grades. For accuracy it shoots identical to a river rock ar on a bench rest. Oh by the way to the Americans that whine about us buying from china maybe you should research how economies work with global trade. Because the US actual buys more stuff from china per capita then Canada does.

Sorry for double post. Got my M4 today. At first glance it seems ok. Pretty tight aftermarket stock for remington 700 vtr between the lower and the upper. What about fitting railguards should i buy kimberly clark stock other high volatility forex pairs on it.

Any complaints in that area? I have about rounds through it, not a single misfire. Big bang for the buck from norinco, though i also cringe at my currency going to china. Fit and finish leaves bit to be desired though. Food for thought, I have a brand spanking new now Remington owned Marlin GBL which has been having extraction problems and has disapointing finish and have a Savage.

I have a Norinco M14 clone that, as everyone here has pointed out, had a less than desireable finish. I first had the whole thing bead blasted and re-coated black to mil-spec so the finish is now better than SA.

I put a Vltor mod stock on and glass bedded it, lapped the barrel and finished it off with lots of U. All that to say, I consistantly hit human silhouette targets beyond m and even have some hits out to m.

Point is these Chinese knock-offs are absolutely not inferior in any way other than price. I am currently waiting for my M4 to arrive and I will likely do the same with it, re-finish it and add whatever accessories it will accept.

Rifles function great, alright accuracy and cheap as borcht! Oh, and who the fuck said Canada makes shity rifles. All made right here in the big white north. Ok from a Canadian Soldiers point of view this is an older but good weapon. We used to use the C7-A1 5.

For the price you really cant go wrong with this rifle as long as you take care of it proprly, if you let it rust, never clean it ect you will have problems. If you are looking for somthing new and try the A2 model its almost the same just a few small differences.

Id take this rifle over an ak any day just because on the range and accuracy.

Now heres the problem where its made im not sure whats being used to make these and how they are probably mass produced an mininal cost but again its a cheap rifle and you will have fun. I only wish we could have full auto in Canada! Hi everybody and cheers from Switzerland. Stumbled over this site somehow and wanted to share my experiance with the Chinese Norinco AR clone. I bought one because it is as impossible to get an american made AR in Europe as it seems to be in Canada.

In my opinion way too much money for an AR. I have spent this money for a SIG but in my opinion that would be like comparing a BMW with a Ford. I bought it 11 months ago for CAD and my CQ came with a 14,5 inch chrome lined barrel with a birdcage style flash hider. I was surprised how well the Norinco was made compared to photos as above and comments I had heared.

My local gun dealer told me that I bought the newer, much improved from a finish perspective lot. Only part which was really inacceptable was the buffer tube looking like it was made in some backyard afghan ak factory and the collapsible buttstock which came lose very quickly and was impossible to tighten after that.

I replaced both parts very quickly for little money. To this point I have put around rounds through it and it has functioned flawlessly even with the crappiest magazines or ammo. Wet, dry, in the heat and in the cold.

Normal gun maintenance provided. Not a single malfunction up to date. As a tactical shooter with a military and law enforcement background this already does it for me.

Overall great value for money! Did I care that I bought a gun originating from country governed by a totalitarian regime? If a reasonably priced american AR would have been available even for a few hundred dollars more I would have refrained from buying it. But as they are not available anymore….

I was Armored Recon with the CF for 5 years and I used the C-8 for half that time. For the rest, I used the C Other then the fact that the C-8 has full auto, the CQ-A almost seems better! I love my CQ-A. I just bought my first one and waiting on the ATT to get it home. Does anyone know of a really good, reliable and affordable place that I can get some after market rails, sights, scopes, tach lights and etc that ship to your door?

Thousands of rounds in sequence, cooled in a barrel of water multiple times. The rifle apparently shines.

It comes at around EUR here. Have to get one. I watched that while waiting for my Norinco to come in and I was blown away. Dont know much about this thing. The sks is such a bang for the buck. I had a Soviet SKS a little while ago that fired a 7. If yours came with the bayonette, try firing it with the bayonette extended out.

It really helped with accuracy with the Soviet version. I just had a question, whats the size of the buffer tube for the CQ M4, and will it fit a Magpul CTR buttstock? Maybe try contacting Wolverine supplies or another place that sells them, or someone who owns one Range, gun show etc. The first batch of A call to North Sylva Co. Buy one you will not regret it.

Why would the canadian govt allow this chicom crap to be sold win theu have diemeco sp?! The US banning of Norinco is simply to prevent US gun manufacturers from bankruptcy and brainwashed their citizens to believe their guns are worth every penny when they are simply way overpriced. Not true at all. You can buy a rifle exactly like this for the exact same price in the USA if you buy from a lower end company like Palmetto State Armory. Regardless, the price of good, plain jane ARs has dramatically fallen and is cheaper than this Even BCMs.

The Firearm Blog googletag. The badly scratched finish can be seen in this photo: This video shows the firearm being used iron sights and Magpul stock has been installed: Thanks to Dennis for information about the rifle. Steve Johnson Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. Well, clearly a cold weather gun!

There have been rumors in the past that the Chinese is thinking about switching to the AR. My favorite gun store in Canada is in Calgary, Alberta. They carry the Coyote. Here are some links to photos of my M4: Then make them cheaper.

I think Lever Arms is a private gun store that buys chinese guns due to demands of the local chinese population in Vancouver that wants to buy them for whatever reason… Denn — nice pictures! I like your efforts to get us back on topic. I agree that the finish looks rather rough though. Hi guys, Has anybody tried putting on a Magpul MOE handguard on this Norinco? China Made M4 Carbine very nice easy to use, good quality and make for Military and Civilian. Great gun in the world.

You only have to belong to a club if you want a long term ATT. Does anyone know if standard M4 accessories will fit on the Norinco? Like fore ends and stocks?

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Thanks for the great reads everyone! Adam — Thunder Bay, Ontario. And of course the link. You forgot about when Norinco tried to sell LA gangs tanks and MANPADS.

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